Bogged down et broken down

I have just finished my first reading of the V2 rules. There are less fundamental changes than I feared but a lot more details added. I have several questions, here is the first one.

When bogged down unreliable vehicles break down, they have to be repaired by a recovery vehicle (page 25). Once succesfully repaired are they still bogged down? In other words, does repairing cure both the break down and the bogged down? In my view no because in order to remove the bogged down marker the vehicule has to be towed outside the difficult terrain, which is not foreseen in this repair attempt. Howevwer the rule (still page 25) says "and get it moving again".

What are your views?

Good question... I'll check that... but i think that AS stated in the rules...A broken down vehicle counts to be Bogged down and NEEDS a recovery vehicle to repair it...(it cannot do it by itself....bogging test..)
so when the recovery vehicle repairs it, it's no longer bogged down...

GREG...

Check pages 41 and 46 in the new V2 book.

A broken down vehicle counts as bogged down until it is repaired by a recovery vehicle.

If you follow the rules move the recovery and bogged down vehicles to 10cm (don't forget to check bogged down test for the recovery vehicle)

then in the shooting phase test to repair the bogged down vehicle

but i don't think that an improvised recovery vehicle can do that

NO IMPROVISED... only a RECOVERY VEHICLE...and if it's repaired it's no long bogged down as i interpreted it...

You need 2 turn to be free when your bogged down & break down. One to be free and an another with skill test to repair.

Sorry but the rules does not say that...at pag 25 little book..it does not say that u need a second bogging test...
"regardeless of how it broke down, a recovery vehicle can try to repair a broken down vehicle and get it moving again by moving adjacent to it(the recovery vehicle i guess has to make a bogging test if the 1st vehicle is in a difficult going terrain) (and even in the rules of Recovery vehicles pag 19 is not written) in the shooting step roll a die instead of shooting.....in any case both vehicles may notshoot or assault...

so at the begging of the next moving step, because the vehicle was freed why it has to make another bogging check...???

Paracadutista wrote:

Sorry but the rules does not say that...at pag 25 little book..it does not say that u need a second bogging test...
"regardeless of how it broke down, a recovery vehicle can try to repair a broken down vehicle and get it moving again by moving adjacent to it(the recovery vehicle i guess has to make a bogging test if the 1st vehicle is in a difficult going terrain) (and even in the rules of Recovery vehicles pag 19 is not written) in the shooting step roll a die instead of shooting.....in any case both vehicles may notshoot or assault...

so at the begging of the next moving step, because the vehicle was freed why it has to make another bogging check...???

Page 25 they only speak about de Break down problem : You are LIKE bogged down. But here, the situation is quite different.

1) You're bogged down. You tried to free but the roll is 1
2) The engine break down.

So, to be free from Bogged down, the recovery vehicle will try to tract the vehicle : He needs to succeed a bogging chek as necessary for Rough terrain. IF HE SUCCEED, THE TANK IS NO LONGER BOGGED DOWN AT THE END OF THE SHOOTING STEP

After this, during the next turn, the recovery vehicle will try to REPAIR the engine. TO DO THIS, THE RECOVERY VEHICLE ROLL A DIE DURING THE SHOOTING STEP...

I'm sure that you must make 2 tests.For me, you can only do one action during the shooting step, but maybe is it possible in this case ( The recovery vehicle must receive a medal in this case )

You're sure bazooka...but how sure?...sure as for the two motivation tests for assault with tanks??

if you're reading carefully the P.46 (V2 book)

ok a breaked down vehicle count as bogged down

Regardless of how it broke down, a recovery vehicle can try and repair a broken down vehicle by moving adjacent to it. In the shooting step, roll a die instead of shooting....ONLY ONE TEST

..but if the vehicle broke down in rough terrain the recovery vehicle must pass the bogged down test to move adjacent to it.

IT is also said that both vehicle can't shoot or assault in this turn

So the question is : is it possible for a recovery vehicle to do two differents things during the shooting step? I'll ask the question on the french forum...

Why talking about doing two things in the shooting phase?

first moving adjacent during the MOVEMENT PHASE

second repairing test during shooting phase

the test is the only thing deed during shooting phase

kapitan kata wrote:

Why talking about doing two things in the shooting phase?

first moving adjacent during the MOVEMENT PHASE

second repairing test during shooting phase

the test is the only thing deed during shooting phase

It's not 2 tests... it's just one from the recovery vehicle...the thing is that ONLY a recovery vehicle can"save" that Tank so it's pretty though...test indeed... but just one...

kapitan kata wrote:

Why talking about doing two things in the shooting phase?

first moving adjacent during the MOVEMENT PHASE

second repairing test during shooting phase

the test is the only thing deed during shooting phase

Exact, during the movement phase, 1 test of Bogged down to approach de tank and move 10cm out and a second test at the end of the shooting phase to repair the tank on 2+

Greg, they are 2 tests of course because 2 problems (Bogged down & Break down).

It's one "normal" bogging test for the recovery vehicle and a test for repair the broken down...but not 2 test for the broken down vehicle I thought that you were saying that...

Paracadutista wrote:

It's one "normal" bogging test for the recovery vehicle and a test for repair the broken down...but not 2 test for the broken down vehicle I thought that you were saying that...

No, of course, it's a normal test and another for the break down.

don't forget that a vehicle can break down in "normal" terrain by moving at the double. In this case just test for repair.

Il semblerait que ma première interprétation des règles soit la bonne, voici la réponse du forum français :

Recovery vehicules (véhicules d'assistance) A5/19 A4/41
Si un véhicule d'assistance qui n'est ni embourbé, ni évacué termine la phase de mouvement adjacent à un véhicule embourbé, en panne ou détruit, il peut le remorquer au lieu de tirer"

Bazooka Joe a écrit:

Nous sommes d'accord que le véhicule de dépannage fait 2 tests : Le premier lors de la phase de mouvement pour ne pas s'enliser et tirer le tank, puis le second à la fin de la phase de tir sur 2+ pour réparer le tank...


Non, pas tout à fait.

Tu as deux 2 possibilités :

1. Remorquage
Tu veux dégager le char en panne.
Pour le véhicule d'assistance (ou véhicule d'assistance improvisé) :
1 test d'embourbement si nécessaire pendant la phase de mouvement pour te placer adjacent au char en terrain accidenté.
Un 2e test d'embourdement si nécessaire (terrain accidenté) pour atteler et remorquer (10 cm).

Si ton véhicule d'assistance ne traverse pas de terrain accidenté les tests d'embourbement n'ont pas lieu d'être.

Ton char en panne reste en panne et peut être dépanné au tour suivant.
Le processus de remorquage est "instead of shooting" (au lieu de tirer).

2. Dépannage
Tu veux dépanner immédiatement.
Pour le véhicule d'assistance (impossible pour véhicule d'assistance improvisé) :
1 test d'embourbement si nécessaire pendant la phase de mouvement pour te placer adjacent au char en terrain accidenté.
1 test de dépannage (2+) pour tenter de dépanner
Ton char est dépanné à la fin de la phase de tir.

Le processus de dépannage est "instead of shooting" (au lieu de tirer).

Ok après relecture, Donc il faut deux tours si breaked down après bogged down et un tour si breaked down en terrain "normal" en raison d'un 1 sur un move at the double.

Ce qui rend en tournoi l'usage des unreliable tanks en terrain difficile presque suicidaire...je m'explique

Dans un premier tour le vehicule passe en terrain difficile et suite à un mauvais jet est "bogged down"

Au deuxième tour le joueur fait un 1 pour liberer son char et celui-ci devient "breaked down"

au troisième tour (si le recovery vehicle) était à portée il peut être remorqué

au quatrième tour on peut tenter de le réparer

...la partie est peut-être finie depuis longtemps!


Je pense que je ferais autrement, si mon vehicule est "unreliable" je ne tente pas de le liberer mais le fais remorquer au deuxième tour ainsi il est disponible pour le troisième.

Un vehicule qui rate tous les tests et est definitivement bogged down compte-il comme perte puisqu'il est totalement inutile et dans le cas où il faut le considérer plutôt comme "out of command" peut-on l'envoyer à l'arrière?

kapitan kata wrote:

Ce qui rend en tournoi l'usage des unreliable tanks en terrain difficile presque suicidaire...je m'explique

Dans un premier tour le vehicule passe en terrain difficile et suite à un mauvais jet est "bogged down"

Au deuxième tour le joueur fait un 1 pour liberer son char et celui-ci devient "breaked down"

au troisième tour (si le recovery vehicle) était à portée il peut être remorqué

au quatrième tour on peut tenter de le réparer
...la partie est peut-être finie depuis longtemps!


Je pense que je ferais autrement, si mon vehicule est "unreliable" je ne tente pas de le liberer mais le fais remorquer au deuxième tour ainsi il est disponible pour le troisième.

Un vehicule qui rate tous les tests et est definitivement bogged down compte-il comme perte puisqu'il est totalement inutile et dans le cas où il faut le considérer plutôt comme "out of command" peut-on l'envoyer à l'arrière?

Disons que si tu joues avec des tank puissants mais fragiles comme le Tigre, mieux vaut avoir un véhicule de dépannage qui soit très proche si tu joues "dangereusement" avec les bogged Down & Break down, de sorte à intervenir immédiatement car sinon le tank est considéré hors d'usage pour le restant de la partie. Il n'est pas détruit mais est perpétuellement Bogged Down. Et hop, plus de 300 pts envolé.